{"id":1231,"date":"2014-02-16T23:44:02","date_gmt":"2014-02-17T05:44:02","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/arseniclullabies.com\/wordpress\/?p=1231"},"modified":"2014-11-16T23:25:29","modified_gmt":"2014-11-17T05:25:29","slug":"i-dont-know-why-you-people-put-up-with-this-sht","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"http:\/\/arseniclullabies.com\/wordpress\/?p=1231","title":{"rendered":"I don&#8217;t know why you people put up with this sh*t"},"content":{"rendered":"<p style=\"text-align: center;\"><a href=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/arseniclullabies.com\/wordpress\/wp-content\/uploads\/2014\/02\/hellsinglepanel3.jpg\"><img data-recalc-dims=\"1\" loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" data-attachment-id=\"1232\" data-permalink=\"http:\/\/arseniclullabies.com\/wordpress\/?attachment_id=1232\" data-orig-file=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/arseniclullabies.com\/wordpress\/wp-content\/uploads\/2014\/02\/hellsinglepanel3.jpg?fit=700%2C282\" data-orig-size=\"700,282\" data-comments-opened=\"0\" data-image-title=\"hellsinglepanel3\" data-image-description=\"\" data-image-caption=\"\" data-large-file=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/arseniclullabies.com\/wordpress\/wp-content\/uploads\/2014\/02\/hellsinglepanel3.jpg?fit=700%2C282\" class=\"aligncenter size-full wp-image-1232\" title=\"hellsinglepanel3\" src=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/arseniclullabies.com\/wordpress\/wp-content\/uploads\/2014\/02\/hellsinglepanel3.jpg?resize=700%2C282\" alt=\"\" width=\"700\" height=\"282\" srcset=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/arseniclullabies.com\/wordpress\/wp-content\/uploads\/2014\/02\/hellsinglepanel3.jpg?w=700 700w, https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/arseniclullabies.com\/wordpress\/wp-content\/uploads\/2014\/02\/hellsinglepanel3.jpg?resize=300%2C120 300w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 700px) 100vw, 700px\" \/><\/a><\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: center;\"><strong><span style=\"color: #800000;\">Illustrating a comic book means telling a story with words and pictures.<\/span><\/strong><\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: center;\"><strong><span style=\"color: #800000;\">The better someone is at this the\u00a0 better they are using words, pictures, and panels&#8230;and camera angles, vanishing points, backgrounds, panel composition and overall page composition&#8230;and about a dozen other tools, to making a compelling story that draws you in and helps you escape into the reality they are trying to create.<\/span><\/strong><\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: center;\"><strong><span style=\"color: #800000;\">It&#8217;s a tough job. <\/span><\/strong><\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: center;\"><strong><span style=\"color: #800000;\">Which is why the different levels of skill are so apparent.\u00a0 They range from mesmerizing pages that seem like views into another world, to pedestrian beginner efforts that are a couple of talking heads with word balloons.\u00a0 When someone is starting out and selling DIY books for a couple of bucks I don&#8217;t really have a problem remedial page efforts.\u00a0 No one is great when they start out. <\/span><\/strong><\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: center;\"><strong><span style=\"color: #800000;\">But when it comes to people working on nationally distributed books,with household name characters in them, from one of the big 2 publishers, in full glossy stock at 4-6 dollars a copy&#8230;you damn well better know what you are doing and not be phoning it in.<\/span><\/strong><\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: center;\"><strong><span style=\"color: #800000;\">but that&#8217;s just me..I expect more from people higher up on the food chain.<\/span><\/strong><\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: center;\"><strong><span style=\"color: #800000;\">which is why books that are essentially one splash page after the next with the purpose being movie poster practice instead of creating an imaginary world to capture the readers imagination are so very very pathetic.\u00a0 Why pages like this are such an embarrassment.<\/span><\/strong><\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: center;\"><a href=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/arseniclullabies.com\/wordpress\/wp-content\/uploads\/2014\/02\/hawkman.jpg\"><img data-recalc-dims=\"1\" loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" data-attachment-id=\"1233\" data-permalink=\"http:\/\/arseniclullabies.com\/wordpress\/?attachment_id=1233\" data-orig-file=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/arseniclullabies.com\/wordpress\/wp-content\/uploads\/2014\/02\/hawkman.jpg?fit=760%2C960\" data-orig-size=\"760,960\" data-comments-opened=\"0\" data-image-title=\"hawkman\" data-image-description=\"\" data-image-caption=\"\" data-large-file=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/arseniclullabies.com\/wordpress\/wp-content\/uploads\/2014\/02\/hawkman.jpg?fit=760%2C960\" class=\"aligncenter  wp-image-1233\" title=\"hawkman\" src=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/arseniclullabies.com\/wordpress\/wp-content\/uploads\/2014\/02\/hawkman.jpg?resize=650%2C821\" alt=\"\" width=\"650\" height=\"821\" srcset=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/arseniclullabies.com\/wordpress\/wp-content\/uploads\/2014\/02\/hawkman.jpg?w=760 760w, https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/arseniclullabies.com\/wordpress\/wp-content\/uploads\/2014\/02\/hawkman.jpg?resize=237%2C300 237w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 650px) 100vw, 650px\" \/><\/a><\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: center;\"><strong><span style=\"color: #800000;\">Briefly let me just say that people should leave the joke telling to the professionals.\u00a0 This joke is so-so and not worth taking up an entire page.\u00a0 Beyond that, someone actually skilled in comedy writing could have punched it up about a dozen different ways so that the so-so joke was actually better than someone who just started out selling copies of books made at kinkos would have done.\u00a0 BEYOND THAT&#8230;I saw this and thought &#8220;hmm&#8230;sure seems to me I&#8217;ve seen that gag before on a movie&#8221; .\u00a0 Turns out I&#8217;ve seen a similar set up at least two other times ( DIE HARD 3, I still know what you did last summer).\u00a0 In fact if you punch in &#8220;it&#8217;s not my blood&#8221; into a search engine, you&#8217;ll get a few more places it was used.<\/span><\/strong><\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: center;\"><strong><span style=\"color: #800000;\">BUT&#8230;these things happen.\u00a0 Something takes root in your brain and you put it down on paper forgetting you heard it somewhere else.\u00a0 Happened to me once.\u00a0 First year of A.L. I used a line &#8221; that&#8217;s someone else&#8217;s department&#8221;\u00a0 turns out I heard it on a movie &#8220;real men&#8221; not exactly used in the same situation, but the gag was basically the same and it was enough for me to redouble my efforts and from then on pull any gag even remotely similar whether I had heard it before or even heard it AFTER I was finished with the story but the book was not yet published.\u00a0 I&#8217;ve probably pulled 50 pages of stuff that I genuinely came up with on my own but then saw somewhere else before my gag go to print&#8230;but that&#8217;s just me, i have integrity.\u00a0 SO&#8230;the writer stepped in it, I&#8217;m willing to give him the benefit of the doubt against willful plagiarism&#8230;but NOT for using a lame gag.<\/span><\/strong><\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: center;\"><strong><span style=\"color: #800000;\">THE REAL PROBLEM THOUGH&#8230;IS THE &#8220;ILLUSTRATION&#8221;.\u00a0 The &#8220;illustrator&#8221; did ZERO to help the gag. and in fact only drew about 25% of an actual page.\u00a0 Drew Hawkman twice, the background once and the other guy four times ( sort of).\u00a0 Drew 7 images&#8230;and cut and paste them&#8230;and took your money.<br \/>\n<\/span><\/strong><\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: center;\"><a href=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/arseniclullabies.com\/wordpress\/wp-content\/uploads\/2014\/02\/hawkman2.jpg\"><img data-recalc-dims=\"1\" loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" data-attachment-id=\"1234\" data-permalink=\"http:\/\/arseniclullabies.com\/wordpress\/?attachment_id=1234\" data-orig-file=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/arseniclullabies.com\/wordpress\/wp-content\/uploads\/2014\/02\/hawkman2.jpg?fit=760%2C960\" data-orig-size=\"760,960\" data-comments-opened=\"0\" data-image-title=\"hawkman2\" data-image-description=\"\" data-image-caption=\"\" data-large-file=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/arseniclullabies.com\/wordpress\/wp-content\/uploads\/2014\/02\/hawkman2.jpg?fit=760%2C960\" class=\"aligncenter  wp-image-1234\" title=\"hawkman2\" src=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/arseniclullabies.com\/wordpress\/wp-content\/uploads\/2014\/02\/hawkman2.jpg?resize=650%2C820\" alt=\"\" width=\"650\" height=\"820\" srcset=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/arseniclullabies.com\/wordpress\/wp-content\/uploads\/2014\/02\/hawkman2.jpg?w=760 760w, https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/arseniclullabies.com\/wordpress\/wp-content\/uploads\/2014\/02\/hawkman2.jpg?resize=237%2C300 237w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 650px) 100vw, 650px\" \/><\/a><\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: center;\"><span style=\"color: #800000;\"><strong>You want an even more stark example of how detached this illustrator is from the story that is supposed to be being told?&#8230;correct me if I&#8217;m wrong but a key element of this gag is Hawkman is COVERED IN BLOOD&#8230;How about maybe a panel dedicated to showing Hawkman covered in blood?! hmm? maybe?\u00a0 Maybe do that instead of just drawing hawkman and letting the colorist put some red spots on him?\u00a0 Personally&#8230;if I was told to do something with this I wouldn&#8217;t even show hawkman from the neck down until after the second guy points out he&#8217;s covered in blood.\u00a0 Hide that until it&#8217;s mentioned and then pan out so you see how dramatic\/out of the ordinary the fact that he&#8217;s covered in blood is.\u00a0 Whatever, there&#8217;s a bunch of better ways of approaching this than this cut and past hack job.\u00a0 Hell for all we know this image of hawkman was cut from some other scene or story.\u00a0 Did this guy just glance at the script and see &#8220;hawkman at a table&#8221; and stop reading after that or what?!<\/strong><\/span><\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: center;\"><strong><span style=\"color: #800000;\">This is pathetic&#8230;flat out pathetic.\u00a0 This is a NATIONALLY DISTRIBUTED COMIC BOOK BY ONE OF THE TWO LARGEST PUBLISHERS.\u00a0 This isn&#8217;t the bush leagues.\u00a0 You people should not be putting up with this garbage<\/span><\/strong><\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: center;\"><strong><span style=\"color: #800000;\">Rather then do something self-serving like compare it to a page of Arsenic Lullaby (which I am tempted to do).\u00a0 Let&#8217;s compare it to a page from David Bosewell ( maker of Reid Flemming The worlds toughest Milkman), a skilled illustrator who actually knows what he is doing.\u00a0 The gag here is Ried is trying to catch his runaway truck because..he left booze in it.\u00a0 Not a screamingly funny premise..but take a look at how he gets as much PUNCH as possible out of it.<\/span><\/strong><\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: center;\"><a href=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/arseniclullabies.com\/wordpress\/wp-content\/uploads\/2014\/02\/reid-catches-truck.jpg\"><img data-recalc-dims=\"1\" loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" data-attachment-id=\"1235\" data-permalink=\"http:\/\/arseniclullabies.com\/wordpress\/?attachment_id=1235\" data-orig-file=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/arseniclullabies.com\/wordpress\/wp-content\/uploads\/2014\/02\/reid-catches-truck.jpg?fit=451%2C540\" data-orig-size=\"451,540\" data-comments-opened=\"0\" data-image-title=\"reid catches truck\" data-image-description=\"\" data-image-caption=\"\" data-large-file=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/arseniclullabies.com\/wordpress\/wp-content\/uploads\/2014\/02\/reid-catches-truck.jpg?fit=451%2C540\" class=\"aligncenter size-full wp-image-1235\" title=\"reid catches truck\" src=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/arseniclullabies.com\/wordpress\/wp-content\/uploads\/2014\/02\/reid-catches-truck.jpg?resize=451%2C540\" alt=\"\" width=\"451\" height=\"540\" srcset=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/arseniclullabies.com\/wordpress\/wp-content\/uploads\/2014\/02\/reid-catches-truck.jpg?w=451 451w, https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/arseniclullabies.com\/wordpress\/wp-content\/uploads\/2014\/02\/reid-catches-truck.jpg?resize=250%2C300 250w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 451px) 100vw, 451px\" \/><\/a><\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: center;\"><strong><span style=\"color: #800000;\">THAT..is storytelling. and THAT is what you should be expecting for your money.<\/span><\/strong><\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: center;\"><strong><span style=\"color: #800000;\">&#8220;but Doug&#8230;it&#8217;s easier to make a page with action interesting!\u00a0 making a page with just two guys talking is much harder!&#8221;<\/span><\/strong><\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: center;\"><strong><span style=\"color: #800000;\">Fine&#8230;you asked for it.<\/span><\/strong><\/p>\n<p><a href=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/arseniclullabies.com\/wordpress\/wp-content\/uploads\/2014\/02\/kstrcthulhu.jpg\"><img data-recalc-dims=\"1\" loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" data-attachment-id=\"1236\" data-permalink=\"http:\/\/arseniclullabies.com\/wordpress\/?attachment_id=1236\" data-orig-file=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/arseniclullabies.com\/wordpress\/wp-content\/uploads\/2014\/02\/kstrcthulhu.jpg?fit=1018%2C1412\" data-orig-size=\"1018,1412\" data-comments-opened=\"0\" data-image-title=\"kstrcthulhu\" data-image-description=\"\" data-image-caption=\"\" data-large-file=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/arseniclullabies.com\/wordpress\/wp-content\/uploads\/2014\/02\/kstrcthulhu.jpg?fit=738%2C1024\" class=\"aligncenter size-large wp-image-1236\" title=\"kstrcthulhu\" src=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/arseniclullabies.com\/wordpress\/wp-content\/uploads\/2014\/02\/kstrcthulhu.jpg?resize=630%2C874\" alt=\"\" width=\"630\" height=\"874\" srcset=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/arseniclullabies.com\/wordpress\/wp-content\/uploads\/2014\/02\/kstrcthulhu.jpg?resize=738%2C1024 738w, https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/arseniclullabies.com\/wordpress\/wp-content\/uploads\/2014\/02\/kstrcthulhu.jpg?resize=216%2C300 216w, https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/arseniclullabies.com\/wordpress\/wp-content\/uploads\/2014\/02\/kstrcthulhu.jpg?w=1018 1018w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 630px) 100vw, 630px\" \/><\/a><\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: center;\"><strong><span style=\"color: #800000;\">Body language, facial expressions, talking with your hands&#8230;these are thing people do when they talk to each other.\u00a0 They don&#8217;t stare into the middle distance expressionless and motionless.<\/span>\u00a0<span style=\"color: #800000;\"> If I had more time I&#8217;d<\/span><\/strong> <strong><span style=\"color: #800000;\">break down Bosewell&#8217;s and my pages other more subtle elements.\u00a0 But I don&#8217;t have time&#8230;because I have a book to illustrate, and I take what I do seriously and so &#8220;cut and paste&#8221; 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