WORD FROM OUR FOUNDER
a very quick recap...if you read all the blogs regulary just skip the
first i put up a
blog about how our congressman weren't doing their jobs and where a
bunch of crooks. then i got several dumbass responses two of which i made
an example of in the next blogs as in "don't be this
guy" they where about specific letters but they where meant
as a generic teachable moment.
Kristin was one
of the subjects and she responded with a three thousand word SA that
never really said anything.
i deleted it and
told her to try again.
"boo hoo you're mean to me so i'm never going to post here again.
i will remind you all that being mean is what i do here. this blog that
you all love so much for it's brutal honesty wouldn't be worth much if i
curbed my opinion for the sake of certin individuals now would it? for
crying out loud i put up a whole blog about how I am a Jackass after
conventions...so no one is safe except those of you who stay completely anonyms. that is simply how it is going to be here.
like it? than good riddance. I've had an ass full of her Marxism anyway....go earn something, then get back to me.
until then your just a spoiled brat who has zero to show for everything
that's been handed to her.
have known her for about 8 years and for 8 years i have tried to get her
to understand the difference between making a point and reciting
this is a skill that is sooo important...and because many of you only
live among and discuss things with like minded people (which sounds very
nice by the way) AND because some of you wrote in wanting to know what
she wrote...i will post it and show you how to properly argue a
point. keep in mind she has copied and pasted part from my
original blog...so my current comments on her comment will be in red.
first off always remember
when arguing to be breif. make your point fast especially
when using type because people lose interest fast.
her case i'm pretty sure this was done on purpose. this is a
technique made popular by Karl Marx...if you are
losing an arguement or want to nullify the debate you prattle on as long
as possible so people get bored and stop paying attention. Marx had very
specific and effective ways of shutting people up who disagreed with
him...that was one of them...another was to discredit them instead of
attacking the point they are making, and still
another was to simply tout his own credentials as a subtle way of
discrediting the opponent. this also serves to nullify the debate
and bore the people paying attention because his opponent feels the need
to stop making his actual point and tout his OWN credentials. now
i'm not saying everyone how uses these tactics studied Marx...he didn't
invent them, anymore than Hitler invented hating Jews...they both just
took it to the next level.
keep in mind that my point was that protesting something going
on in another country while ignoring a huge power grab by your own government
my original comment's has these " " around them.
you can’t muster up caring about what is going on in your own back
No, I can't. I'm dissatisfied with our entire system, and the small
group of monkeys that run it and their inability to cooperate with each
other. They're going to do (and have done) whatever they want to do.
They (president, house, senate) don't in any part represent me or the
large number of individuals I identify with/affiliate myself with. The
only way to create real change is to overthrow the federal government
(or possibly all government even at the state level) begin afresh,
rebuild society in a manner by which every individual has a roof over
their head, sufficient healthy food, access to good medical care, the
opportunity to pursue their intellectual interests without economic
handicaps prohibiting them from doing so, etc etc etc.
So no, I don't give a shit how the bill turns(ed) out (I can't tell what
tense I'm supposed to be addressing, but my point is still the same),
because I fundamentally reject the entire system.
admits to not caring...so no need for any of this paragraph. but as long
as it's there let's all just focus on how she is too lazy to pay
attention to a 800 billion dollar bill but thinks overthrowing the
government is the way to go.
and pay attention all you other wanna be revolutionaries out their...if
you don't pay attention to the current corruption how are you going to
keep it out of the new glorious government you create? do you
think people are just going to stop scamming each other once you tip
over the last cop car?
by the way who is going to create the rules and guidelines for this
utopia? you? ha ha haaaa
haven't even run a hot dog stand.
am sick to death of all the Henry rolling wanna be's out there who
substitute hating the status quo for actually thinking, and using the
brain between your ears to figure out what about it is still good and
what about it is now bad. they all bitch and moan about how
religion stiffles them and how "the man" doesn't have an
open mind...and then they turn around and act the same way...THEY are
just as close minded to what "the man" and religion has
created as if none of it aided mankind. and they live in the
fantasy that they are so smart that we can just throw everything away
and they will rebuild it from scratch and never use any of the old
your headout of your ass...look at your own life..have you accomplished
ANYTHING REAL? or did you play halo for 4 hours smoke some pot and
call you ex-girlfriend and then hang up. if you did those things
that's fine...but stop and realize that you are probably not qualified
to lead us into a bright new age.
want a revolution ...fine, but i don't want someone who's dad bought
them their car, never lived outside of the dorm, takes his laundry to
his moms house and never worked a full time job the to be the leader.
i have no problem with that person...i'm just not going to rely on him
to help form a new government.
greif will you grow up. "begin
afresh, rebuild society in a manner by which every individual has a roof
over their head, sufficient healthy food, access to good medical care,
the opportunity to pursue their intellectual interests without economic
handicaps prohibiting them from doing so, etc etc etc."
right out of karl marx again...see we tried communism in many many forms
for 6000 years and all it got humanity was one evil bastard slaughtering
it's citizens by the hundreds of thousands after the next. then WE
can along with capitalism and in 200 years we...WE created all the
medicine...the technology that puts roofs over our heads, technology
that allows us to transport food to and from across the globe, and the
technology that allows us the time to pursue our intellectual interests,
honestly is why i'm glad she's gone. she's just turned into a flat
out ingnoramis, and it's exhausting explaining the same thing over and
over. go find me a communist society that worked and actually
aided mankind to the degree that capitalism has.
"and by the way nothing has been solved concerning Palestine…so
why have you all stopped protesting?"
Well, this is just silly. How can you assume what I am and am not doing?
We don't talk a whole heck of a lot outside of your blog anymore. So
this is merely an assumption you are making based of my abrupt lack of
activism advertised on myspace. I stopped making bulletins and whatnot
in that vein for numerous personal and safety reasons, and is in no way
an indication of my inactivity. And I don't get my "world
news" from CNN. Please. I don't even really feel like going into
that one right now, but if you press it, I'll give you an explanation.
point was that she stopped posting as a form of activism and she says
that i am assuming she isn't being active anymore because she's not
posting. ???? clearly she missed my point and/or
purposly reworded my point to have an opportunity to save face.
"This is exactly what I am screaming about…the battle for your
freedom, The struggle to make the country the place we all want it to be
and not a corrupt hellhole does not conclude with the election of the
president nor does it conclude when CNN gets bored and moves on.
You may not see it, but we're somewhat on the same page with this.
why mention it? it is just another paragraph that loses peoples
"YOU CAN PAY ATTENTION ALL YEAR…and not just pull your head out
of the sand every four years to slap a bumper sticker on your car, hand
out some buttons and think you made a difference. ...."
I hate bumper stickers, they're kinda ugly, and ruin your paint when you
change your mind! And where am I getting these buttons? Do you know how
much it costs to make buttons these days? Shit. Paper fliers, kiddo.
I'll leave all that other crap to the A.N.S.W.E.R. coalition and their
"It is the hight of irony to me that so many of you are worried
about conspiracies and shadow governments…YOU AREN’T PAYING
ATTENTION TO THE GOVERNMENT THAT IS RIGHT IN FRONT OF YOU TELLING YOU TO
Uh, nope. I'm more of a big picture kinda person. Getting all riled up
about an economic stimulus bill is like being annoyed by a single and in
a whole trail streaming through your kitchen. If I was one to believe
that we need to work with at the current system in place and make it
better, I'd say what you're arguing is legitimate, and that I'm a
complete twit. But I don't. I don't think trying to slowly improve
things will actually work. I believe it will stay at a fairly balanced
more or less conglomerate corruption, lies and secret handshakes until
something radical done by the proletariat changes everything.
billion dollars isn't "big picture" this broad can't see the
forest because the trees are in the way. and again she seems to
think she is a radical there is nothing more tiring than that. and just
let me add that the word "proletariat" is one of those words
you use to sound smart. that is the ONLY reason to use
"proletariat" instead of "people" .
"such vigilante citizens like Kristen here"
LOL! I like that.
why does this broad think she needed to respond to every single thing as
though anyone cares? and does she not understand that this is being read
by 400 plus people? this isn't a private tit for tat e-mail
"You silly spoiled brat….
do you have any idea what the great depression was like? People where
rioting and killing each other over food!"
As a comedian, even if not executed successfully, I would have hoped you
would be able to pick up on the tone of sarcasm I was using here. I was
".. people here starving to death here and overseas and it allowed
people like stain Mussolini and Hitler to take power...you're in
college...READ A BOOK.. "
Man, you really forgot any details about me, haven't you? I'm not in
college, I graduated almost two years ago. Though I am hopefully on my
way to grad school. I read many books. In fact while in college, I took
an entire semester course that focused on America between 1925 through
1940. I don't feel the need to fully defend my knowledge of the Great
Depression at this juncture because I was utilizing sarcasm. But while
on this note, I honestly can't understand why people didn't tear down
this system in the thirties.
so my point, that corrupt people use times of crisis to gain power, is
rebutted by saying her studied the great depression....? she says she
studied it but at no point uses that knowledge to make a point.
her point here is that she studied ..NO WAIT...I ALMOST FELL FOR
IT...she never said she studied it...she took a SEMESTER ON IT. now how
long is that? 4 months? i honestly don't know cause i was only in
college for 4 months. and how many actual hours is that? she spent ONE
SEMESTER IN A CLASS about a time period that lasted FIFTEEN YEARS! THAT
BY NOT STRECH OF THE IMAGINATION MAKES YOU AN EXPERT. it gives you
a simplistic remedial tiny bit of Knowledge...enough to pass an exam.
also She clearly didn't understand the class because she says we should have torn
down the system in the thirties...uhmm we did dipshit roosevelt came in
and introduced the "new deal" which was a radical
change. aside from that the communist party, the Nazi Party, the
KKK, and several other extermist organizations on the right and left
rioted and burned and torn down plenty...she must have skipped that day.
by the way the last time i talked history with her she didn't know that Germany
invaded France in WWII...that was also AFTER she had "finished
"You could be and are wrong…because in order for the government
to do all the other things that “concern you” THEY NEED TO HAVE YOUR
MONEY….BILLS THAT DIVY UP THE MONEY ARE THE MOST IMPORTANT BILLS OF
THEM ALL! IF WE STOP LETTING THEM TAKE AND SPENT OUR MONEY THEY DON’T
HAVE ANY POWER.
TAX MONEY TO FUND THE THINGS THAT "CONCERN YOU".
Um, not so much. I think I've sort of covered this in vaguely explaining
my political ideologies. And it doesn't cost the government squat to do
the things I want it to do. So, no, it doesn't need my tax dollars, in
my opinion. You're differs, that's ok by me, in a sense. I mean to say,
I'm not going to go on berating you without knowing all the facts of
what you know, think and act on.
tell me what she is trying to say here...because it's just a circular sentence
and does she STILL NOT UNDERSTAND THAT THE GOVERNMENT CAN'T EVEN TURN
THE LIGHTS IN THE WHITE HOUSE ON WITHOUT OUR MONEY? she wants to
tear down the system but doesn't understand that that is what WE ARE TRYING
TO DO BY TAKING AWAY THIER MONEY.
pay attention here too because what i ACTUALLY SAID was that the
government can't do the things that concern you without money. in
her original statement "concern" meant "worries" or
"disapproves of" people who are drowning in an argument
like to reword what you are arguing about in hopes of coming to a draw.
this is the second time she has done this
"want me to point out the $$$$ that is going to fix the vandalism
at the VERY EMBASSY THAT WAS GUMMED UP BY CERTAIN PROTESTERS A FEW
MONTHS AGO? would you like me to point out the $$$ that is to be used to
upgrade the security and widen the perimeter around that embassy and all
other embassies located on the continental u.s.
Sure! A more active and militant police presence will only make members
or the proletariat more uncomfortable and dissatisfied with how our
country is run, and may challenge them to question how this system
controls them like sheep!
with the "proletariat" and wet dream fantasy of being a
revolutionary...and by the way are people the "proletariat" or
if you agree with her you are part of the proletariat...if you don't you
are a sheep.
she is in fact the sheep who refuses to pay attention to
things going on right in front of her face while she fondles her Che
quvera bandana. AND she still doesn't grasp how much money (power)
the government is taking thanks to her antics.
"BY THE AY I'D LIKE TO THANK YOU AND YOUR ASSHOLE COHORTS FOR
GIVING THEM THE EXCUSE TO STEAL MORE MONEY FROM USE...nice job over
there in San Francisco...keep it up...why i hear that Israel and
Palestine kissed and made up right after they saw a bunch of college
kids from the U.S.
chanting in front of an embassy"
The amount of damage the protesters inflicted monetarily out of
opposition to U.S. policy in support of the Israeli invasion of Gaza
doesn't hold a candle to the amount of money of oh say the u.s.
governments used to bail out banks. Or to fight useless and bloody wars
in Iraq and Afgahanistan.
"i am a inconsistent dumbass" is it okay for the
government to waste money or not? because i say it's not... just
because they waste more money on something else doesn't make it okay for
them to waste a smaller amount on this. WASTE IS WASTE.
Don't be so ridiculous. The protest at the embassy in San Francisco was
one single action, and its all you focus on. There were month long
protests in January, pulling thousands (10,000 to be more precise) to
the streets in protest in San Francisco alone. There were protests of
this nature in every single major city in California in addition to
those taking place throughout the country, across Europe, and within
Israel itself, the last of which incurred very heavy, militant and
dangerous police response, even during completely peaceful marches of
Palestinians and Israelis in opposition. You only using that single
example makes me wonder why you refer to ME as the "useful
...i focused on that because
that is what you posted about. BUT for the sake of argument i'll
include your month long protesting...this conflict has been going on for
decades!!!! way to get on board.
I should point out that I don't "blindly" protest. I know
exactly what I' doing and why I'm doing it. I know the long and
complicated history of Israel and the Gaza strip and its over half a
century of conflict. I don't think Israel is justified in blowing Gaza
to splinters, and if you want to get into it, I have the time these days
now that Grad school applications are complete, my brother's wedding is
over and done with and I don't have quite as much on my plate. I'd be
happy to outline to you all of my thoughts - but this blog is not the
place for that. Moving on.
this blog is not the place for it? THIS BLOG IS EXACTLY THE
PLACE FOR IT, i even tried to mock you into voicing your
opinion...but you turn down the invitation becuase you still don't know
your ass from a hole in the ground and even though i have been waiting
for over a month for you to get back to me with your wealth of
knowledge...you still haven't bothered to so much as google Palestine and shit out whatever it says on the first message board you see.
"...until the next time she turns on CNN and is bored?"
Are you just saying this CNN business because you know it will annoy me?
I don't watch CNN or any other major corporate news media outlet, unless
you would like to count BBC. Come on, Doug.
don't know what you watch...how would i?and who gives a shit...this is
just more wasted text and more people who will lose interest in what
you are saying.
"and then you have band of wild eyed goons swinging thier
longswords around and around like a windmill and running at whoever has
the most colorful shield... "
Said like a true patriot.
You make sure those colors ain't bleedin'! (yea, I'm getting snarky)
has yet to make a point although i think she tried to be clever here...
I'm not really sure if that last "calm" bit was directed
solely at me, but I'm just going to assume you were talking to the
universe. I feel as though I've addressed everything in your conclusion
already, and there's no need at this point to be overly verbose and
reiterate my previously stated statements/thoughts.
i love that
last sentance...read it again to yourself.
If any clarification is necessary on anything I've mentioned, by all
means, quote the funny bits and I'll try my best to help you .
on what? you didn't SAY ANYTHING!!!!!!! you're whole point seemed
to be that you are smarter than the rest of us...don't have time to do
anything real because you are too busy with you little fantasy of being
a revolutionary...and don't have time to properly defend your statement.
by the way...how are your going to "tear it all down" if you
can't handle some abuse on a website? how are you gong to deal with the
other 50% of the country that thinks you're full of shit? how
about the other "revolutionaries" that will disagree with
you? have you ever actually done anything illegal? been pepper
sprayed? been put in jail? have you ever even been arrested? those
gang bangers in your neck of the woods you'll be in the same holding
tank with aren't going to be interested in your political views.
they're just going to kick your head in as soon as the guard turns his
back in order to make their bones. what are you going to do
then...hold up a pamphlet? I'm laughing at you right now and the fact
that you're on the other side is extremely comforting.
you asked so i gave it to you. remeber these simple things when
you are arguing with anybody. focus on the point...be brief...less
is more. get do your damage and get out. look as much as
they drive me crazy people like Craig the machine, and win a
date with kurt boz (and to a lesser extend NIck...Nick is a little
wordy) know how to argue a point. the next time I'm at odds
with them on this page pay attention to how they rebut. they find
a flaw or a point hey think they disagree with AND have knowledge of and
they latch on. they use logic and have well thought out reasons
for what they think. there is a grand canyon like divide between
the arguments I've had with them and Kristen's rambling nonsense.